The extraordinary claim that fire was the ultimate cause of the complete progressive collapse of
skyscrapers on September 11, 2001 is the
flimsy foundation upon which the Police State is being constructed. How realistic
is that claim?
Ever since a B-25 hit the Empire State Building on the morning of July 28, 1945, high-rises have been designed to withstand the impact of airliners similar to the ones that hit the Twin Towers on 9/11.
The Empire State Building, hit on Sat. morning, was back in service in two days.
In the case of the Twin Towers, based on a study definitively described in as “ this plane-strike resistant design is verified by Towers head structural engineer John Skilling like this – – –
Concerned because of a case where an airplane hit the Empire State Building, Skilling’s people did an analysis that showed the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707. …According to Skilling, “
,” he said. “ .”
This is further verified by Chief NIST 9/11 Investigator Dr. Shyam Sunder in The New York Times like this:
In the video clip below, Twin Towers project manager Frank D. Martini summed it up this way: “
Martini claimed the towers could withstand several airliner impacts without
serious danger of failure.
As predicted — and thus verifying the above design assumptions — each tower returned to a stable configuration within approximately four minutes after the planes struck. The South Tower remained standing for 56 minutes after the plane hit and the North Tower for 102 minutes.
Since neither tower collapsed till well after the plane impacts, it’s clear that the collapses must have been the result of something other than structural damage.
In fact, our skyscrapers are incredibly durable. For example, there was the Feb. 26, 1993 1,336-pound bomb attack on the North Tower. It blew a 98 foot hole through four basement pylons — and killed 6 and injured 1,042. But the Tower didn’t collapse and was back in service in short order.
However, the fact that structural damage was
of collapse on 9/11 is most clear in the case of the least well-known — some
say “ ” — of the three, Building 7
(WTC7). NIST, charged by Congress with the official investigation, summarizes
the role of structural damage in Building 7’s collapse like this:
“Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7. The building withstood debris impact damage that resulted in seven exterior columns being severed …This was near the west side of the south face of the building and was far removed from the buckled column that initiated the collapse. …”
So if these three collapses weren’t the result of structural damage, what
At first glance, it seems reasonable to suppose that fire must have been that cause, especially since it was present in all three cases — and NIST’s Dr. Sunder specifically claims fire for Building 7 this way:
“We really have a new kind of progressive collapse that we have discovered here, which is a fire-induced progressive collapse. In fact, we have shown
that fire can induce a
However, things aren’t that simple.
Dr. Sunder’s claim of a “
” is the first clue. It points out that such
a fire-induced progressive collapse had never happened before in the entire 117
year history of high-rises at that time. That makes Dr. Sunder’s fire-induced
claim unprecedented (without a precedent) and thus by definition,
And there’s another clue: On Feb. 14, 1975, the North Tower had a serious fire burn out of control for about three hours and spread to an estimated 65% of floor eleven without doing any structural damage (two to three times as long as the fires burned in the Towers on 9/11) — and the building was open for business the next day.
And this from head structural engineer John Skilling, remember. “
…” he said. “ .”
In fact, this extreme level of fire resistance in
high-rises has been designed-in for over a century and was common and accepted
knowledge. Dr. Sunder’s extraordinary “ ”
claim for starters. And – – –
“New York City, 2001. No tall building had ever collapsed primarily due to fire …”
“…prior to that day [Sept. 11, 2001] high-rise structures had never collapsed…”
Chief Nigro’s statement “
” is the more
comprehensive statement. And correct. And, as of this writing (September,
2016), except for one in Mexico City as the result of an 8.2 magnitude
earthquake, none have completely collapsed, let alone in seconds, from any
cause or combination of causes 9/11.
This extreme general durability of skyscrapers was well-known throughout the entire architectural and structural engineering community and was the basis of
On September 13, 2001, the cover of the New Civil Engineer in the UK consisted of a picture of 1 WTC during its collapse with a single word written across it: “unthinkable”. “Just hours earlier, it had been genuinely inconceivable that structures of such magnitude could succumb to this fate.” While the initial damage from the airplanes was severe, it was localized to a few floors of each tower. The challenge for engineers was to explain how local damage could result in the complete progressive collapse of three of the biggest buildings in the world. –Collapse of the World Trade Center: “Unprecedented!”
Note for later use: “
But that’s only the tip of the iceberg, and the tip of the strangest fires ever told – – –
The question is, “
There’s only one thing that causes
steel-framed high-rise to collapse the way
those three buildings did on 9/11 — in fact to collapse at all — and Dan Rather
In other words, the answer to “
?” is “ .”
Since nothing else has caused such a collapse, the way they fell, that is, the “
itself — in fact, that they fell at all — is prima-facie evidence of
demolitions of some sort.
So, with controlled demolition in mind, it isn’t the three building collapses that were extraordinary, it’s the claim they were caused by fire and/or structural damage that’s extraordinary.
And as Carl Sagan famously quipped, “.”
” means accepted until proven wrong, so for
anyone who wants to claim something other than engineered demolitions, they
must first prove that it couldn’t have been engineered demolitions. Merely
providing alternative hypotheses doesn’t do the job.
So has anyone disproved demolition? We’ll see shortly.
None the less, despite 130 years of no-collapse design and history, as proponents of the official government conspiracy theory like to point out, things do sometimes unexpectedly happen for the first time. But in this case, despite the proven design principles, that would be three fire-mediated collapses on the same day and never before and never again.
So, if you’re going to claim “
disprove demolition, the evidence you provide for fire had better be extraordinary.
Here’s some perspective on the organization assigned to come up with that hellaciously extraordinary evidence – – –
Until 1988, when renamed the “
” (acronym: ), the organization had been the ultimately responsible for
things like the accuracy of your fillup at the local gasoline pump. It wasn’t
until the NCST Act was passed in October of 2002 that NIST took on the massive
— and what turns out to be politically sensitive — 9/11 investigation.
Most likely the NIST investigators didn’t have a clue what they were getting into until later. But whenever it
occur to them – – – let me
put it like this: Since demolitions would have to have been set up well ahead
of 9/11 – – – “ ?”
Which may well explain a lot of what follows. Especially NIST’s failure to seriously investigate controlled demolition despite the unique and unmistakable collapse signatures of all three buildings. The collapse signatures even Dan Rather nailed.
NIST do about investigating the prima-facie
most likely cause of the collapses?
They try to avoid telling you, but if you look carefully – – –
In the case of the towers, NIST forth-rightly asks itself in point 8 of its Towers Investigation FAQ, “ ?”
The important point is in the question itself: despite the three prima-facie collapse signatures, for
reason, NIST “ ”
for controlled demolition.
When pressed for a
answer, you discover that NIST
unrealistically assumed — either honestly or otherwise — a commercial style
controlled demolition (which none of the three could possibly have been) —
which used the loudest explosives available. Then, ignoring the unmistakable
collapse signatures, NIST claimed it didn’t hear the proper level of noise for
these commercial demolitions and so failed to
OK, so one way or another, NIST critically screwed up by failing to seriously investigate demolition, possibly because they had their fingers stuck in their ears and were humming loudly.
Given the implications of what would have been of necessity pre-planted explosives, can you blame them?
There is plenty of evidence that demolitions here and with the ~2,300 members of Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth.
peer-reviewed proof that a quieter non-standard technique using someting called
thermite — or thermate — was used. If you’re interested, a good place to look
is in the 100 plus peer-reviewed papers published
So NIST failed to disprove demolition, and they failed three times, The prima facie evidence provided by the collapses themselves and their unique signatures stands, and that makes any alternative hypotheses or theories, conspiracy or otherwise, moot.
But just for the fun of it, what about NIST’s own competing fire-mediated version of what happened? Clearly
they come up with — to satisfy Sagan —
had better be hellaciously excellent, especially since they failed to rule-out
First, to an unprecedented degree in its 9/11 work, NIST counted on computer modeling.
NIST’s former Fire-Sciences head, Dr. James Quintiere, explained the underlying problem with that intensive use of modeling like this:
NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. –statement to the U.S. House Science Committee hearings on WTC collapse
Within certain limits, such models are, by design and function, easy to manipulate. As one of my compadres put it, slightly tougue-in-cheek, “
That’s why some nerds call computer simulations “.”
Such flexibility is a good thing for NIST, though, since its explanations must satisfy this, remember: “
To satisfy that challenge, NIST needed to accomplish at least two main things with their modeling:
1. Prove that a fire-mediated total progressive collapse of a
of the building was even possible.
2. Prove that modeled collapse looked like the collapse that actually happened.
With the inherent flexibility of modeling in mind, how hard could that be?
For the towers, NIST came up with their final reports quickly and on time. They were reluctant, though, to make their Towers simulations available to the public — and wouldn’t do so until pressured by the architectual and engineering community.
“WTC investigators resist call for collapse visualisation,”
“World Trade Center disaster investigators [at NIST] are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers, NCE has learned. Visualizations of collapse mechanisms are routinely used to validate the type of finite element analysis model used by the [NIST] investigators.”
Hmmmm – – –
Moving right along, NIST’s approach and mind-set are most transparent and revealing in its attempt to explain Building 7’s collapse. Which
You can tell because the final report took an extra three-plus years.
Here’s Dr. Quintiere’s take in the middle of that delay:
6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September  that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?”
Can you think of any reason NIST might drag “
for more than three years?
The final report on Building 7 wasn’t released until 2008.
What was in that report?
Based on one of its technical fictions, NIST’s final report on Building 7 claims that “
” started when
Column #79, in the northeast corner of the building, buckled as a result
of , and this caused the entire building
to collapse in a matter of seconds.
You might want to review that collapse above. It’s the clip Dan Rather commented on.
Here’s a quick overview of the problems with NIST’s scenario:
NIST asserts “
” ass-u-me-ing never
before seen fire as the cause — remember Dr. Sunder’s “ ” claim earlier — and completely ignores
that, based on the collapse signature alone, the most probable initiation
sequence is clearly demolition of some sort.
To compound the problem, during a NIST Tech Briefing, Dr. Sunder further explained the — and its unprecedented result — this way: “ .”
From the presentation you also discover the “
” he’s talking
about are in the 400°C range.
Sounds pretty hot, right? But because of early experience with the damage it can cause, for over a century, steel-framed skyscrapers have been designed and insulated to resist thermal expansion, even thermal expansion that occurs at
temperatures. And remember, history shows
that such damage has never resulted in even one 9/11-type collapse.
Next we have the claim that one column in the northeast corner “buckled” and somehow, within seconds, the whole building collapses, including the columns in the far-removed
corner. Because of local structural
integrity, this problem is what prompted the engineers big challenge, remember:
That is, how could “
” in the northeast corner almost instantly
cause the structural steel in the whole building — including the
far-removed corner — to collapse all at once?
HINT: It couldn’t — and in fact, the
have happened unless damage
was also induced, not only in the southwest corner but in key structural
elements throughout the building. Can you think of anything that might have
caused that to happen?
And finally, with regards to the Building 7 collapse above, to provide credible evidence at all — forget extraordinary evidence — NIST needed to – – –
2. Prove that their collapse model looked like the collapse that actually happened.
That is, it’s not only the “
” their technical
fiction needs to show, that’s the easy part. It’s, as the engineers put it
right after 911 remember, “ ?”
Are they going to do that? Are they going to show the whole thing? Here’s a clue – – –
“Once the collapse had begun, the propagation of the collapse was readily explained without the same complexity of modeling.” FAQs – NIST WTC Towers Investigation
So the answer is, “
!” And as you’ll see, they don’t.
So NIST does a good job of ignoring most of the collapse in its collapse animation. Even in
technical fiction, apparently having been
unable to model the collapse itself, they don’t show anything beyond their
asserted initiation sequence. The problem is that what they show doesn’t look anything like the actual
collapse initiation anyway. But you can judge that for yourself in the video below.
So, as you can see, despite the extreme flexibility of its modeling tools, not only was NIST unable to model the actual collapse with its simulations it couldn’t even show a realistic initiation sequence, not even after four extra years of trying.
AND, in the same vein, NISTs simulations were also unable to model the actual collapse of either of the Twin World Trade Center towers, thus ignoring two
in the room.
But the final affront is that, fighting off a persistent string of FOIA requests using the national security blanket thrown to it on Monday, Aug. 4, 2008 by Obama’s Executive Order 13470, NIST refused to release 74,777 (about 80%) of the key simulation files it used to come up with its shall-we-say-to-be-kind, Column 79 hypothesis.
This makes replication, the back-bone of science, not to mention checking its work for logic, rigor, errors and fibs etc. impossible.
NIST’s excuse for not releasing the key files? Their release
They may have that right if bureaucrats and certain politicians in the stocks
or hanging from trees and lamp-posts, etc. is dangerous to public safety.
Or do they wish to assert their work proves U.S. skyscrapers are so delicate that, as another compadre quipped, “
You can find much more thoroughly detailed and documented critiques of NIST’s less-than-forth-coming shennanigans with its approach, data, and technique, here, here, and here for starters.
You can find an extensive list of what else was ignored and hidden — and how it was done — .
It’s clear that none of the NIST personnel wanted to be “
Given their career path and the political implications, can you blame them for trying to hide it? Well can you?
NIST provide the hellacious proof that would
convince Carl Sagan of their extraordinary claim that fire was the ultimate
cause of those three — count ’em, — completely
unprecedented collapses upon which the Police State is being constructed?
And of course, their work, shabby as it is, is moot anyway since they failed to disprove the most obvious prima facie explanation, controlled demolition.
Or, now that its foundation has been compromised, is it time to start deconstructing the Police State? Is it time to throw sand in the gears of the out-of-control machine and indict some of its psychopathic minions? As they have in Malaysia. What do think?
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L. Reichard White [send him mail] taught physics, designed and built a house, ran for Nevada State Senate, served two terms on the Libertarian National Committee, managed a theater company, etc. For the next few decades, he supported his writing habit by beating casinos at their own games. His hobby, though, is explaining things he wishes someone had explained to . You can find a few of his other explanations listed here.